Smoke at Double Doors

[MrMorose]

We all understand the aggravation of team-flashing and the occasional kill-steal (even if unintended, and especially when you're going for a knife), but I think the one thing that has annoyed me the most recently is when CTs throw smoke at Double Doors on dust2. Now, I understand that the desire for some cover while crossing to B, but a smoke grenade cannot provide that because:

1. it takes about 4-6 seconds to actually produce a full smokescreen, meaning that you probably would be in B already by that time.
2. about half of the time when you're hit through Double Doors as a CT, it's because they're spraying with AKs?it doesn't matter if they can see you or not.

And there are so many reason why NOT to smoke Double Doors:

1. the most obvious being that it masks a potential Mid or Mid-to-B rush by the Ts, or just that one Terrorist that pokes through, pops a CT still in Spawn or watching Short A, and then retreating back with the cover of CT-thrown smoke.
2. CT Scouters can no longer snipe back through Double Doors to T-Spawn, which, I believe is the best defense against being sniped or spammed through Double Doors.
3. there's no way to watch Catwalk, to warn the people at A if a rush is coming.

Besides that, I think the most frustrating part of it all is that people continue to smoke Double Doors even when you specifically ask them not to, just to get on your nerves. It seems that the more you ask, the more someone does it. Grr! :facewall:

 

[malalla]

:blink::blink::blink:

 

[HaZal2d0uS]

I'm sorry, but there are definitely good reasons for smoking double doors. The fact that you didn't mention them makes this post almost useless to arguing. But I'll just post a couple of quick reasons as to why you would smoke double doors...

1. You want to delay-rush lower B
2. You want to fake-out the T's in counting B, so you run back when they can't see you.
3. It's easy to see T's through the smoke from CT-mid to T-Spawn

Yes I do know some noobs do throw smokes, but get over it. Nothing is going to change that, and the fact that there's definite good reasons to be using them at this specific place makes me think you don't know too many tactics. Maybe I'm wrong, but you're not showing it to me at least.

 

[Tidus]

Smoking double doors is extremely useful for various reasons for both the CT and T teams.

I find this thread pointless.

I don't understand if you're trying to get smoke grenades banned or something ridiculous like that, or you're just complaining.

 

[Azn_Master]

!up HaZa|2dOuS

 

[tmangotskill]

It helps ct and t even

 

[Geno]

You should've made this a blog not a thread

 

[lotus blade]

well i dont know what to do about that. lol. just try to live through it.

 

[xShuriken]

Eh, it gets a bit annoying on occasion but not bad enough to really care about.

 

[Chase]

Ya this is more blog material than anything else.
one thing that stuck out to me was the small mention of kill stealing.
I think i'll go write a blog about that before i add more fuel to this thread...

 

[MrMorose]

Just seeing if anyone else agreed... guess not :X

 

[Jarrod_38]

What I hate recently are the people who camp T Window in High School. Then they get all mad when their team is losing 18 to 2.

 

[Tidus]

What I hate recently are the people who camp T Window in High School. Then they get all mad when their team is losing 18 to 2.

That's cool... A little off topic though? :blink:

 

[LTCHIPS]

I agree 98%. I do think watching for short rushes (since they're pretty common) is very important, but the 2%, I would say that during a B rush, CTs will want to throw a smoke at mid, to ensure a sucessful cross, rather getting killed by possible mid snipers.

 

[HaZal2d0uS]

People can watch short from A. Which is really a very easy spot to pick of T's. Yes so is the catwalk on their way, but it's easily more dangerous to try to pick-off T's there than at A.

The fact that 95% of people don't know how to rush short effectively, (me being in the 5%... if you've ever seen me play you'd know) a short rush is easily stopped with grenades... which usually turns into a CT win because 1/2 the team will sit at short and get blown up. Now if the people at A can't aim and just keep getting killed, then yea... but having mid not smoked isn't going to make that big of a difference...

Also, more that 90% of the time (easily over 90%) I don't get killed from someone at mid in a short rush. I'll be the first one there too... Knowing how to effectively rush also effects an outcome such as that... I could show some of you guys tips on how to do certain things pretty effectively and pull-off "easy" kills because of it. If you'd like to get some tips, make a list of what you're bad at first then PM me and give me the list. Then we'll work it out.

 

[EyelessHunter]

The real question about all of these topics is, why does anybody even care in the first place?

 

[MrMorose]

HaZal2d0uS, you sure are... er... confident.

 

[JunK]

as a scouter, CTs smoking mid really makes me mad because yes, then i cannot snipe mid. even if there is smoke there or not they spam the door for the first 10 seconds just to see if they can damage anybody crossing, its just what they do.
as for watching short a, you can hear them if you are anywhere close to CT spawn so that isn't much of an issue. i just hate not being able to snipe mid because if i can't watch it then i won't be able to see anybody come through that choke point (being the double doors) and if they do come by the time you see them (because its smoked) they are already out of the choke point and spread out...or running up towards B shooting you in the face.

as a tactic i think its a very bad one to smoke double doors...CTs don't need to rush anyway so don't worry bout lower tuns. but this is a pub and people do what they want...is there anything we can do to stop it? absolutely not...just ask them to stop, if they don't switch to T and rush through that smoke they so conveniently placed there for you and kill everybody

 

[MrMorose]

Well said, Junk =P

 

[Some Random Guy]

The real question about all of these topics is, why does anybody even care in the first place?

Quoted for complete truth, and like Geno said should be a blog