Goodbye Idler

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But the idling program was built from the SDK source.

And Drunken_fool who developed it even contacted Valve about it being a problem. THEY NEVER CONTACTED HIM BACK ABOUT IT.
 
You've gotta think though -- despite the fact that Achievement Servers provide hollow Achievements to people who look for a quick bragging right, the difference between the Achievement Servers and Idler is user input. The Idler was a third-party program and you had to do nothing, the Achievement Servers actually involve you doing something, even as minimal as it is.

If I was Valve, I'd be a bit timid at third-party systems exploiting the game, but that's just me.

Actually there are achievement_idle servers...the only difference is one runs in TF2 and the other doesn't...well that and anyone who idled in an achievement_idle server is not a cheater.
 
But the idling program was built from the SDK source.

And Drunken_fool who developed it even contacted Valve about it being a problem. THEY NEVER CONTACTED HIM BACK ABOUT IT.

Ignorance is bliss and silence is golden, yet the program was gilded. The fact still stands that it was a third party program and was an exploit and there's nothing we could've done about it. I'm not defending Valve or the Idler in any way, but an exploit's an exploit and I'm not one to say who's right or wrong but the Idler was anything far from 'fair' and neither is Valve's Hat drop system.

I assume you were an idler, so go do some idling in our servers, that's what I'll be doing in help of redeeming my character and actually help seeding for once, it can't hurt.

Actually there are achievement_idle servers...the only difference is one runs in TF2 and the other doesn't...well that and anyone who idled in an achievement_idle server is not a cheater.

Again, broken systems are broken, what more can we do? Nothing's perfect, corporations aren't all there in the head.
 
After reading through this thread, it's clear people still have things to say about the Valve response to the idle program.

As a result, I'm going to let this thread remain open.

Discussion about the idle program, Valve's response, and civil discussion is appropriate here.

Any deviation off-center from that very narrow path WILL result in this thread being trashed and people responsible for said deviation to be held accountable.​
 
Ignorance is bliss and silence is golden, yet the program was gilded. The fact still stands that it was a third party program and was an exploit and there's nothing we could've done about it. I'm not defending Valve or the Idler in any way, but an exploit's an exploit and I'm not one to say who's right or wrong but the Idler was anything far from 'fair' and neither is Valve's Hat drop system.

What did the idler do? Except allow people who may not have all day to spend on a game to ge tthe same chances as people who do. Its not an unfair advantage its a fair one...

I assume you were an idler, so go do some idling in our servers, that's what I'll be doing in help of redeeming my character and actually help seeding for once, it can't hurt.

Can't, but I'm not allowed to say why...
 
What did the idler do? Except allow people who may not have all day to spend on a game to ge tthe same chances as people who do. Its not an unfair advantage its a fair one...

The Hats are part of the game (dammit, I just lost) and sure, the Idling program made it appear that people were playing. I'm logged for playing 158.7 hours in the past two weeks, but was I actually playing for the allotted time gathered? Of course not. It's simple, people who play the game for what it is, despite how long or well they played, should be rewarded with a Hat regardless of the horribly low drop rate the system has. Most of the heads at Valve probably didn't care that much until someone brought it up like that and that's when it got hairy.

You play the game, you get a hat (maybe).

You seem like you're playing the game but not, you don't get a hat.

Science!

Can't, but I'm not allowed to say why...

That's a shame, I'll seed extra hard for you. =p
 
And so it comes that valve strikes down the unholy cheaters for enjoying the content they made so much that they would do anything to acquire it. A sad day indeed. It was fun while I had you tuque.

Oh well back to

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Honestly...I dislike how people are treating people who used the idle program...Yes, Im sure they knew that it had some risk in using it but to call them "cheaters" is a bit too much for our clan members to be calling each other...I didn't use the program and I don't care if others did use it...Anyhow, the idle program is now banned so let's move on and seed the servers instead, ya? =P
 
The Hats are part of the game (dammit, I just lost) and sure, the Idling program made it appear that people were playing. I'm logged for playing 158.7 hours in the past two weeks, but was I actually playing for the allotted time gathered? Of course not. It's simple, people who play the game for what it is, despite how long or well they played, should be rewarded with a Hat regardless of the horribly low drop rate the system has. Most of the heads at Valve probably didn't care that much until someone brought it up like that and that's when it got hairy.

You play the game, you get a hat (maybe).

You seem like you're playing the game but not, you don't get a hat.

Science!

Okay sure, and I wold have no problem with this. If thats all they did.

Why did they have to go this whole Moral High Road way about doing it though? Giving people who do no deserve it a special hat that is completely unobtainable by anyone else? Just because we used a program they didn't even orginally care about?

I have been labeled a cheater because of this system, worse than the Achievement Unlockers (who still got a halo) when all I did was want a hat. Which I might add I never actually got through the idler...
 
yeah a new hat but it seem that people who have idled are enjoying this new halo looking thing.
 
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I lol'd.


-Calle
 
This thread has proved itself to be quite the stalemate.


Also, I never lost anything, nor gained anything from this update... so I'm completely unbiased when I say this:

You are all arguing over A GAME.

This is supposed to be a 'mature' gaming clan. Most of this is thread is quite the opposite, in my opinion.
 
Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

I love valve.
 
Yay, too bad I used idler and now will not get a hat )=

It never did anything for me tho. Mean idler. Meeeean.


Oh and I just read that they raised the hat finding %, yaaay for Vaalveeeee.

Yaaaaaay.
 
For those who have not recieved/seen the reward for not idling. Its for every class.
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What I find funny is, I decided to idle yesterday. I didn't find one item, so I was rewarded. :) But also, in the time since all this madness was released, I have found 1 hat and about 8 items total. The system is broken.
 
I said something similar in the closed/migrated thread, but can we just go and play the game now? :)

Some people idled and lost items, others didn't and got a halo. Alright, whatever. Let's move on from it and get back to killing each other and having a blast.
 
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