Counter-Strike Global Offensive Jail Server "Custom" Special Days...

[darkfry]

We honestly need to talk about this S/D...

While I do agree that some Custom Days that Wardens come up with are fun when they actually put some thought into it, there are also some people out there that get a kick out of making T lives miserable for whatever reason, and will specifically use "Custom days" as means to achieve their toxic ends (the people that do this want the world to burn, I'm convinced). But for real, we need to make at least some kind of underlying rules for this special day to restrict people from making the Ts do dumb/pointless/toxic things. Never realized how bad someone can abuse this day until the other night where 25-30 prisoners were forced to play AFK BREAKFLOOR until only ONE T WAS ALIVE. How is this even allowed??? Literally 0 skill/creativity required and pretty much guaranteed death, a waste of time, and just a completely negative experience for the server all together. I have never seen such a terrible day on JB in the 3-4 years I've been playing. Not only that, but I'm 1000% positive there is a rule where "all custom luck-based games MUST guarantee a minimum 25% chance of survival". Do Custom days really just bypass rules like this? How is "Custom AFK break-floor" day any different from an MFK day if only 1 person survives? Except for the fact that it takes way longer and wastes everyone's time. Days like this shouldn't be allowed IMO, because if I'm being honest right now "Custom" days are more like "let's just forget about all the rules" day. That being said, I'm not saying we should get rid of them, but there definitely needs to be more guidance and rules in place to prevent wardens from abusing it for crappy days like that just to be toxic.

My ideas of acceptable Custom days: Joke days, talent days, why are you in jail?, red light green light free days, reverse hide and seek, cancer jump days (as long as warden can demonstrate each one on first attempt). One warden even came up with something called "VIP" where CTs had to try and escort another unarmed CT across the map without him dying while Ts were trying to kill them. This special day has a lot of potential if you get creative and don't use it just to be toxic.

Things that should NOT be allowed: Luck based until only 2 survive (AFK death crate/breakfloor/roulette etc.) Or anything that goes against the basic rules in place to prevent JB from being overly-toxic in the first place. I'm also against things like death crate/wipeout/jump-rope until LR since those games are also borderline luck based.

Let me know what y'all think should or shouldn't be allowed for custom days.

Thanks, and have a nice day!

 

[mouse pouch]

ok ya just say "no shitty custom days" game fixed op

 

[BoyPhoenix]

i mean buy more luck or something, joke aside im pretty sure some basic rules still apply even when custom/free day, may want to ask an AT privately

 

[MS]

AFK Breakfloor is 100% skill what do you mean?

All jokes aside it would be good to have some more well defined rules in terms of Custom Days. While I personally disagree that toxic games such as AFK Freeze colors or AFK freeze break floor should necessarily be disallowed entirely, I can agree that some better defined (or any) restrictions could help; in addition, it would give everyone a better understanding of the scope and ability of custom days.

I personally would like to, however, point out how infrequent custom days are. Whenever a special day is called, it is statistically unlikely for it to be a custom day. It is based on the warden that is calling said day as to what the custom day is. Considering every CT can become warden, and more than one CT is usually fighting for the special day spot, I don't really think this is a major issue. Custom days are less than five minutes, and honestly, almost anything is better than gun game or zombies.

Regardless, however, I believe the custom day structure was initially (and remains as) a "Do what you want" day. I was under the impression that there would be more built upon the day, though I guess there isn't. Would be great if the ATs could define the guidelines for it in the Jailbreak Rules.

 

[darkfry]

AFK Breakfloor is 100% skill what do you mean?

HA alright lol I guess maybe just need more practice then

Regardless, however, I believe the custom day structure was initially (and remains as) a "Do what you want" day. I was under the impression that there would be more built upon the day, though I guess there isn't. Would be great if the ATs could define the guidelines for it in the Jailbreak Rules.

^ I agree with the do what you want to an extent, don't agree however to be able to use it for things like I mentioned earlier killing everyone in games like AFK death crate for example. I guess the best short term solution until more guidance comes out is to just try to rebel whenever someone tries to be super toxic with it.

 

[joaKING]

Normally I'd agree but Custom days are so infrequent I don't think it's as big of a deal. Most wardens don't do Custom days when they can do a special day and in my experience a custom day occurs maybe once every 4 maps? At least when I'm on. I think a bigger issue is the toxicity of the CTs on normal days. That occurs every single round and really grinds my gears.

 

[darkfry]

Normally I'd agree but Custom days are so infrequent I don't think it's as big of a deal. Most wardens don't do Custom days when they can do a special day and in my experience a custom day occurs maybe once every 4 maps? At least when I'm on. I think a bigger issue is the toxicity of the CTs on normal days. That occurs every single round and really grinds my gears.

Honestly I think you pulled out what I really was trying to say with this post. You’re right the custom days are not the problem, just toxicity in general, and I do mention that custom are fun with the right warden doing it. It’s mainly the daily CT mains who treat it like a 9-5 job that are the problem. The same ones that D/C whenever they get a CT ban, which usually is a result of their own toxicity to begin with.

 

[MS]

sopheyy Jayy @DDZ ZioNeX
would love clarification on this

 

[Jayy]

MS We can discuss it in AT and get back to you with an answer. IMO Toxic Special days like AFK Freeze break floor / AFK Deathcrate and those type of things that aren't fun should have certain restrictions. (Not sure what those could be atm) Same with days where you do Tower Surf into course and kill off everyone appart from 1-2 people that are actually really good at it... and even some of the really good people at JB fail it from time to time and just sit afk in spec waiting for everyone else to die.

-Edit
Maybe we as admins and even players should just try to pave the way for more creative special days? Since most people just go with what they have already played or tried. So the cool idea that dark fry mentioned:

"One warden even came up with something called "VIP" where CTs had to try and escort another unarmed CT across the map without him dying while Ts were trying to kill them".

This could be a great special day and there are probably countless others that can be really fun that people have thought of, just haven't actually tried to play it on the server.

 

[sopheyy]

I understand your frustrations but I also want for this day to be as open as possible.

I see this day being played VERY rarely, as other special days are played way more often. If we then play AFK breakfloor once every 3-4 maps, then I'm honestly fine with it.

In addition, opinionated games may suck for some people because they're shy and they don't have any social skills. Their chances of survival would've been greater in a luck-based game. This could be another argument to restrict opinionated games on custom days. Then what do we have left?

 

[Marszvamp]

We honestly need to talk about this S/D...

While I do agree that some Custom Days that Wardens come up with are fun when they actually put some thought into it, there are also some people out there that get a kick out of making T lives miserable for whatever reason, and will specifically use "Custom days" as means to achieve their toxic ends (the people that do this want the world to burn, I'm convinced). But for real, we need to make at least some kind of underlying rules for this special day to restrict people from making the Ts do dumb/pointless/toxic things. Never realized how bad someone can abuse this day until the other night where 25-30 prisoners were forced to play AFK BREAKFLOOR until only ONE T WAS ALIVE. How is this even allowed??? Literally 0 skill/creativity required and pretty much guaranteed death, a waste of time, and just a completely negative experience for the server all together. I have never seen such a terrible day on JB in the 3-4 years I've been playing. Not only that, but I'm 1000% positive there is a rule where "all custom luck-based games MUST guarantee a minimum 25% chance of survival". Do Custom days really just bypass rules like this? How is "Custom AFK break-floor" day any different from an MFK day if only 1 person survives? Except for the fact that it takes way longer and wastes everyone's time. Days like this shouldn't be allowed IMO, because if I'm being honest right now "Custom" days are more like "let's just forget about all the rules" day. That being said, I'm not saying we should get rid of them, but there definitely needs to be more guidance and rules in place to prevent wardens from abusing it for crappy days like that just to be toxic.

My ideas of acceptable Custom days: Joke days, talent days, why are you in jail?, red light green light free days, reverse hide and seek, cancer jump days (as long as warden can demonstrate each one on first attempt). One warden even came up with something called "VIP" where CTs had to try and escort another unarmed CT across the map without him dying while Ts were trying to kill them. This special day has a lot of potential if you get creative and don't use it just to be toxic.

Things that should NOT be allowed: Luck based until only 2 survive (AFK death crate/breakfloor/roulette etc.) Or anything that goes against the basic rules in place to prevent JB from being overly-toxic in the first place. I'm also against things like death crate/wipeout/jump-rope until LR since those games are also borderline luck based.

Let me know what y'all think should or shouldn't be allowed for custom days.

Thanks, and have a nice day!

i do agree with u, tht tht breakfloor day sounds pretty much to toxic, but aint it like what the custom day is here for? a less rule for warden day, to make the t,s (dumb) or do toxic shit? if it is every 4.th year u experience tht Fry the prob should not be tht bad

well from my point of view, the custom day is good, and need less rules. but yea some wardens are just to toxic i agree, but for one day i can live with tht.

Good day to u to buddy.

 

[Refrain]

I think it doesn’t really matter if 1 round every map is something a little different

 

[HyperPenguin]

MFK "Custom" Day incoming soon

 

[darkfry]

MFK "Custom" Day incoming soon

HyperPenguin



I was looking back on old posts and seeing this made me remember that I had this video xD

 

[Crazy]

To be honest, I think the premise of custom days is flawed from the core, and no one really understands what it is even supposed to be properly. Sometimes it is "warden can only restrict one movement than a normal day". Sometimes it's... well:

HyperPenguin



I was looking back on old posts and seeing this made me remember that I had this video xD

I think what Jay said earlier is on the money for what should be done about this- admin discretion. Custom days open too many possibilities for what is and isn't okay, and restricting all of them would be quite the hassle for the AT team, or would just totally cut out any fun/purpose in custom days for the Warden and CT's.

I think MFK days shouldn't be a thing and that should be directly specified.
I think that it should be stated the Admins have the final say on what is and isn't okay for custom days, and for there to be an internal standard Admins try to uphold, which has somewhere on the lines of "Not killing all of them for no reason".

Custom days should be like to force Ts to play your opinionated game, to have games of chance as your first game and play them all day, or play Primary secondary mele all day. That type of "cancery-fun" stuff- not an excuse to just shoot Ts.

 

[Skle]

To be honest, I think the premise of custom days is flawed from the core, and no one really understands what it is even supposed to be properly. Sometimes it is "warden can only restrict one movement than a normal day". Sometimes it's... well:


I think what Jay said earlier is on the money for what should be done about this- admin discretion. Custom days open too many possibilities for what is and isn't okay, and restricting all of them would be quite the hassle for the AT team, or would just totally cut out any fun/purpose in custom days for the Warden and CT's.

I think MFK days shouldn't be a thing and that should be directly specified.
I think that it should be stated the Admins have the final say on what is and isn't okay for custom days, and for there to be an internal standard Admins try to uphold, which has somewhere on the lines of "Not killing all of them for no reason".

Custom days should be like to force Ts to play your opinionated game, to have games of chance as your first game and play them all day, or play Primary secondary mele all day. That type of "cancery-fun" stuff- not an excuse to just shoot Ts.

Crazy Apple??? I haven't seen your name in years! Welcome back man!

 

[darkfry]

I think what Jay said earlier is on the money for what should be done about this- admin discretion. Custom days open too many possibilities for what is and isn't okay, and restricting all of them would be quite the hassle for the AT team, or would just totally cut out any fun/purpose in custom days for the Warden and CT's.

I think MFK days shouldn't be a thing and that should be directly specified.
I think that it should be stated the Admins have the final say on what is and isn't okay for custom days, and for there to be an internal standard Admins try to uphold, which has somewhere on the lines of "Not killing all of them for no reason".

So this is kind of an old discussion, and kind of a necro-post but I just wanted to show hyper that video out of irony. There has been more clarification on it, which is, and you guessed it, admin discretion.

I went ahead and pulled a snip-it from the rules (which does specify no MFK days btw) but I do appreciate your thoughts as well on this matter.

Also welcome back, it's great seeing the older players start to come around again and I hope it's a regular occurrence ^^

 

[Crazy]

So this is kind of an old discussion, and kind of a necro-post but I just wanted to show hyper that video out of irony. There has been more clarification on it, which is, and you guessed it, admin discretion.

I went ahead and pulled a snip-it from the rules (which does specify no MFK days btw) but I do appreciate your thoughts as well on this matter.



Also welcome back, it's great seeing the older players start to come around again and I hope it's a regular occurrence ^^

Lol I didn't even look at the date lmao. Thanks though!

Crazy Apple??? I haven't seen your name in years! Welcome back man!

Hey good to see you too man! Been back for about a week and remembered the forums exist! Hope to see you around!