Unwritten Jail Rules

[metro]

Sorry if a thread like this already exists, I didn't see one in my quick check.

I would like to get the official ruling on this, so if you could only post if you are 100% sure that you have the correct answer I would very muchly appreciate that.

Playing on the jail server there are a few things I would like to have clarified as they vary from admin to admin.

1. Can T's refuse to participate in contests? Perhaps only lag related contests (eg: races and red-light green-light)?

2. Can CT's force T's to crouch/crouch-walk? This would be an issue with typing responses for T's.

3. Are last requests direct orders to CT's? Can admin action be taken if CT's do not obey last requests?

4. Is the last CT allowed to kill all the T's?
-Yes
5. Is "free-damaging" the same as free-killing, can the same actions be taken against people damaging T's?

That's all I can think of now. Also, once we get a ruling on some of these things would it be possible for the rules on the server to be updated?

 

[tiny[INACTIVE]]

nice questions but i only know Yes last ct can kill all T

 

[Cervani]

This is one of the reasons why I hate Jail servers. Not because of the game, but because of the rules. I'm not a "follow some random strangers commands" sort of guy. I come into a game to have fun and kill people, not listen to some random morons (morons may be a bit harsh in some people's opinion, but if you;ve seen some of the people and what they try to do, you'd understand) try and tell me what to do...and get punished for playing how I want to play.

Just my opinion though on a specific server, not the game as a whole.

 

[Rogue Sniper]

Sorry if a thread like this already exists, I didn't see one in my quick check.

I would like to get the official ruling on this, so if you could only post if you are 100% sure that you have the correct answer I would very muchly appreciate that.

Playing on the jail server there are a few things I would like to have clarified as they vary from admin to admin.

1. Can T's refuse to participate in contests? Perhaps only lag related contests (eg: races and red-light green-light)?

Umm I going to say only if theres less than 4, cause I mean you have to eliminate them or it drags on forever.

2. Can CT's force T's to crouch/crouch-walk? This would be an issue with typing responses for T's.

Only if crouch walking since you cant type and move at once. No for just still crouching Ts must be able to stand to type.

3. Are last requests direct orders to CT's? Can admin action be taken if CT's do not obey last requests?

Only if its reasonable they have to listen, aka no telling the CTs to line up to be shot

4. Is the last CT allowed to kill all the T's?

-Yes

5. Is "free-damaging" the same as free-killing, can the same actions be taken against people damaging T's?

No, just ignore it unless its continuously happening

That's all I can think of now. Also, once we get a ruling on some of these things would it be possible for the rules on the server to be updated?

There will be an updated set of rules to come in the future.

 

[metro]

Thanks Rogue.

 

[Blindsfell]

All that I hope is that admins dont enforce these rules now, when they're not even in the "rules" page. For ex, one time an admin banned me for a week for giving a t a gun, even though i didnt frame him (just gave it to him to shoot some cts)

In response to Rogues answers... make sure that the admins know the rules because I have seen a couple of admins ban people for "free killing" when they were the last ct.

 

[YoU_WeRe_DeStRoYeD]

In need of revisons for sure

1. Admins need to know all the rules before playing the server.


2. Admins need to not say "I am an admin, you are not so I will do what I want" You wouldn't believe how many times I and other people have seen this one. A friend has a screen shot of this happening.


3. Admins need to enforce free killing. Way too many admins are seeing free killing occur and not acting on it. Many people(including e's and eGO's that know the rules) can back me up on this point.


4. Admin abuse is a HUGE problem in these servers. Admins abuse there power in the Jail server way too often. I also have e's, eG's and eGO's that can back me up on this as well.

5. T's should not be muted unless things are getting way out of control with the mic. It makes things a lot easier. And if a T is being loud and obnoxious just mute that individual... not the entire T team. People can back me up on this as well.

I am a DoD player that has been playing Jail for almost the past week and I have noticed so many inconsistencies with rules. I think these inconsistencies need to be worked out so we have a clean cut set of rules that everyone can follow with no gray space.. just black and white.

Thank you and I hope everyone has a great holiday season.

 

[Chase]

For the most part i have a firm grasp on the all the severs rules.
However the ones mentioned in this thread have been the trouble makers as of late.
Clear answers and an update to the rules page is needed.

 

[Starscream]

Just remember about some of the rules although they are not written use common sense, like a couple of days ago I got a complaint in why did I shoot a guy when he ESCAPED and tried to knife me.

 

[Chase]

yes but you have to remember, some people are just plain stupid.
Case and point:

"why did you shoot 3 unarmed terrorists just standing there?"
"they had knifes..."

They need big bold shiney letters up in their face, telling them THESE ARE THE RULES, otherwise they dont seem to get it.

Also the a few of these questions have sprung up because some people are nit-picky and continually search for every little loophole or error they can possibly find in our rules.
Such as the new fad of people screaming out "free damager" and then demanding a kick. its nonsense.

its called a warning shot, and the reason you dont shoot "the floor next to the offender" is because nobodys gonna notice if somebodys shooting near them. or they can simply say "i didnt hear or see it".

 

[ΤємρĿāя]

1. Admins need to know all the rules before playing the server.


2. Admins need to not say "I am an admin, you are not so I will do what I want" You wouldn't believe how many times I and other people have seen this one. A friend has a screen shot of this happening.


3. Admins need to enforce free killing. Way too many admins are seeing free killing occur and not acting on it. Many people(including e's and eGO's that know the rules) can back me up on this point.


4. Admin abuse is a HUGE problem in these servers. Admins abuse there power in the Jail server way too often. I also have e's, eG's and eGO's that can back me up on this as well.

5. T's should not be muted unless things are getting way out of control with the mic. It makes things a lot easier. And if a T is being loud and obnoxious just mute that individual... not the entire T team. People can back me up on this as well.

I am a DoD player that has been playing Jail for almost the past week and I have noticed so many inconsistencies with rules. I think these inconsistencies need to be worked out so we have a clean cut set of rules that everyone can follow with no gray space.. just black and white.

Thank you and I hope everyone has a great holiday season.

Hi,

You need to understand that while there may seem to be inconsistencies between the ways that different admins deal with different situations, it can be difficult for admins to keep track of everyone's actions on the servers. Some admins are more experienced than others etc.

As for admin abuse - this is strictly prohibited by eGo's admin rules. You should report this to senior / council members as perpetrators will be disciplined.

Temp

 

[metro]

I disagree with you on point 5 Destroyed. I think T's should be muted at all times so that CT's look for responses in text. Otherwise T's without mics would be at a disadvantage.

 

[Sebulba]

~Rogue
5. Is "free-damaging" the same as free-killing, can the same actions be taken against people damaging T's?

No, just ignore it unless its continuously happening

(So this means I can hit all T's 99dmg, then kill them all with FLASHBANGS as they run at me helplessly with knives?!?!?!?!?) hehehehe

Also: I haven't played there in a while, but when I did play there, people would always get somewhere they shouldn't be (glitch or map exploit)...if this is still happening on servers, what should admins do about it. THANKS

 

[Rogue Sniper]

1. Admins need to know all the rules before playing the server.

You are right about this, but there is not a clear set of rules established yet, but they are to come soon in the future.

2. Admins need to not say "I am an admin, you are not so I will do what I want" You wouldn't believe how many times I and other people have seen this one. A friend has a screen shot of this happening.

Please PM an Advisor/DL/Council about this matter.

3. Admins need to enforce free killing. Way too many admins are seeing free killing occur and not acting on it. Many people(including e's and eGO's that know the rules) can back me up on this point.

If we see it we will act accordingly, if other players yell out FREEKILL we will just ignore it. It is our job and we will do what we can, we are only human.

4. Admin abuse is a HUGE problem in these servers. Admins abuse there power in the Jail server way too often. I also have e's, eG's and eGO's that can back me up on this as well.

Again, please PM an Advisor/DL/Council about this matter.

5. T's should not be muted unless things are getting way out of control with the mic. It makes things a lot easier. And if a T is being loud and obnoxious just mute that individual... not the entire T team. People can back me up on this as well.

Yes, then have everyone talking at once? No, they are to be muted except for admins. Period.

Hope this helps,
Rogue

 

[Rogue Sniper]

~Rogue
5. Is "free-damaging" the same as free-killing, can the same actions be taken against people damaging T's?

No, just ignore it unless its continuously happening

(So this means I can hit all T's 99dmg, then kill them all with FLASHBANGS as they run at me helplessly with knives?!?!?!?!?) hehehehe

No, just basically if they do that continuously then act accordingly

Also: I haven't played there in a while, but when I did play there, people would always get somewhere they shouldn't be (glitch or map exploit)...if this is still happening on servers, what should admins do about it.

Glitches are against the rules thus warn then kick.

Sorry for the double post but my latest post was beaten by yours Sebubla D:!

 

[Chase]

Well, after last night/yesterday I beleive we need another new rule instated for the jail sever:

No users with the same name.

This has happened before on the CS_OFFICE sever, with a large group of people taking the name blindsfell.
It happened yesterday with combine vortiguant on JAIL.

Its obvious why this would be a HUGE problem in jail sever seeing as CT's are trying to give orders, and you sometimes need to specifically call someone out.
Thats a bit tough when you call out a single T and then 6 others with the same name respond as well.
It also causes issues with admining since they all have to same name, how can you tell who commits an offense.

Im assuming it was Kendle who came in and kicked/banned them all(not sure which) but it was an obvious problem that needs to be incorporated into the rules.

 

[T_EnGr_4_LiFe1]

Very Well put Rogue. There is a clearer image in my mind of how the game should be played. As for the admin abuse I will send you a pm of this occurring. It may take me a couple of days though because I am studying for Finals just like everyone else. lol

 

[Tr33t]

I guess we should be saying that we are typing and then type because T's get killed a lot for Not Obeying Directions when they are just typing...

Officer: Get on the railing.
Officer: Do it now!
Officer killed JailMate
*Dead* JailMate: Can I go to the pool?

So give them like 3 seconds to say 'typing', and then give them 30 seconds, and if they know it's going to take longer, they need to say it.

 

[ΤємρĿāя]

Thats a bit tough when you call out a single T and then 6 others with the same name respond as well.
It also causes issues with admining since they all have to same name, how can you tell who commits an offense.

If it's freekilling or offensive chat you can type status in the console quickly and see which of their steamID's correspond to the actions and kick/ban/warn.

I agree though, and always ask players with the same name to change or leave.