Anyone feeling it?

[Synn]

Is it just me or is TF2 starting to get less enjoyable?

Here's why I think so.

Wow, this was amazing! They fixed facestab! They also removed sidestab! Spies probably thought this sucked. But let me tell you this, it's called backstab for a reason. Spy is my most played class with 40 hours played, so don't call me a biased Heavy. This update also made Spies able to see the health of enemy players, that's a really huge advantage. Think about it. You storm as a pyro flaming the whole team and make a narrow escape with 30HP left. A spy see that you're low on HP and takes you out with the revolver from long range. That's not cool. It would be okay if this was the unlock for the disguise kit. Like 5 seconds longer disguise timer, but you can see the players' health. I would use that upgrade. Switching weapons should also be a disguise kit unlock.

Soon to follow, after (many?) compaints they re-enabled the sidestab, why would they do that? They listen to the community? Yeah, but theres has to be a limit. Why not make shouldershots crit as a headshot because all of the Snipers say so. It's the same principle.

And then, the hitbox 'fix' that disabled crouchjump (But that was fixed fast, great job actually, Valve) and removed an abuseable glitch, which was goodm of course. BUT this update, really must have messed with the backstab code. After this update I have been getting more facestabbed then backstabbed, and that's the truth. I know play testers can't test if facestabs happens more frequently, but it must have happened at least once and Valve said they fixed it, so they should know something's not right.

They said they fixed this, but they didn't. This still happens very often for me.

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I have never raged at a game before, but wow. TF2 has me really upset at times. Maybe it's just the passion for this, mostly, epic game.

Thank you for reading, I just had to blow some steam. See you on Valve maps or maybe Warpath!

/Synn

Does anyone agree/disagree? Discuss!

 

[I-Die-Often]

I think the game is aging and people have had waning interest... my favorite map is no longer my favorite after the crouch fix because there are doors the players can no longer fit through...

Try some new naps and play styles... I was getting bored after the removal of BM T2V3, but I started playing dodgeball and even been hitting up my old Mario Kart server (even though the disabled the demoman)... the game is just as fun as it ever has been.... just try something new.

 

[Synn]

I think the game is aging and people have had waning interest... my favorite map is no longer my favorite after the crouch fix because there are doors the players can no longer fit through...

Try some new naps and play styles... I was getting bored after the removal of BM T2V3, but I started playing dodgeball and even been hitting up my old Mario Kart server (even though the disabled the demoman)... the game is just as fun as it ever has been.... just try something new.

I've actually discovered Soldier, to be just as fun as Spy. Before I would never think of touching the Soldier and now I have really fun playing. But.. BAM facestab, superfun Soldier galore ruined, becuase of a glitch in the game. It really takes my spirit down.

 

[Silent_Ninja]

"I have never raged at a game before"

Then I guess this is your first Valve game? Haha just kidding I love valve.

On topic, I play spy to enjoy it, not to get more kills than anyone else but to have fun. I'm not really that good of a spy but I'm okay. I have at least 20 hours in EACH class and 55 hours as spy so I'm not biased either but I do believe valves recent updates have broken tf2 a little bit.

The whole sidestab thing isn't good in my opinion. Without sidestabs it makes any class that camps immortal if they have enough skill to fend off other classes, all you have to do is keep you back against a wall to protect yourself from spies, snipers and engineers must have been overjoyed by this.

I do however like the new benefits with the spy being able to hold every weapon in while disguised rather than just the primary weapon, and I LOVE that spies can now pick up dropped weapons and ammo crates to replenish his cloak I felt as if that update was definitely needed.

Now here's where valve made me a little angry, the whole crouch update. I understand that spamming crouch made it almost impossible for snipers, so I'm definitely not mad at valve for fixing it but now for some reason crouching doesn't get you past most doors that it used too. My favorite eGO server is Blackmesa and all the vent doors and other small doors that you used to be able to crouch through are now ruined and useless. I really hope valve fixes that soon.

 

[Synn]

"I have never raged at a game before"

Then I guess this is your first Valve game? Haha just kidding I love valve.

On topic, I play spy to enjoy it, not to get more kills than anyone else but to have fun. I'm not really that good of a spy but I'm okay. I have at least 20 hours in EACH class and 55 hours as spy so I'm not biased either but I do believe valves recent updates have broken tf2 a little bit.

The whole sidestab thing isn't good in my opinion. Without sidestabs it makes any class that camps immortal if they have enough skill to fend off other classes, all you have to do is keep you back against a wall to protect yourself from spies, snipers and engineers must have been overjoyed by this.

I do however like the new benefits with the spy being able to hold every weapon in while disguised rather than just the primary weapon, and I LOVE that spies can now pick up dropped weapons and ammo crates to replenish his cloak I felt as if that update was definitely needed.

Now here's where valve made me a little angry, the whole crouch update. I understand that spamming crouch made it almost impossible for snipers, so I'm definitely not mad at valve for fixing it but now for some reason crouching doesn't get you past most doors that it used too. My favorite eGO server is Blackmesa and all the vent doors and other small doors that you used to be able to crouch through are now ruined and useless. I really hope valve fixes that soon.

Snipers and Engies hugging wall wont be a problem, 3 shots with your revolver and they're down. But if a engie hugs a wall while being covered by his sentry at the same time it could be a problem, but he can't just stand there forever.

I think being able to pick up ammo to replenish cloak is not a bad addition, it doesnt give a huge advantage like seeing health does.

I think Dragonhill will have to fix Blackmesa by himself. The height of the hitboxes is probably what Valve wanted and that wont be changed.

 

[FreakingHell]

I just want my head(standing on player) stabs back and I could care less about sidestabs.

 

[Vandall]

I really liked the updates they made. Don't know why you're "raging". :S

 

[Cl!FF]

I for instance, dislike everything they did to the spy,

1: they can see now, they can select targets, even more sacrifical kills for the spies, which is really annoying for the top players, they just stab you in front of level 3 sentry guns, they don't care.

2: the so called backstab is now pretty much useless and the only thing that happens to me is a facestab after another, don't really know why it is called a backstab.

3:criticals should be a rare thing on TF2, like valve said, we based it more on skill.
If every stab pretty much ends up in a facestab or a sidestand and is an instant death for the victim, I don;t see the point of skill at all.

But I don't care about the spies who are able to pick up weaponry to add it to their cloackes, I think that was a smart update.

 

[sokO]

I don't think it's the game that is losing it's fun, I think it's the person who is playing that is losing interest.

 

[xosniper]

I don't think it's the game that is losing it's fun, I think it's the person who is playing that is losing interest.

you can have either the Big Panda bear, or the slide whistle.

 

[Toasteddude]

1: they can see now, they can select targets, even more sacrifical kills for the spies, which is really annoying for the top players, they just stab you in front of level 3 sentry guns, they don't care.

Hate this.

 

[? Frisky Dingo ?]

I just want my head(standing on player) stabs back and I could care less about sidestabs.

uhh this is still possible, I do this all the time.

Synn, Ive got over 300 hours played as spy and began playing almost a year ago since the first patch came out. Now even back then there were glitches perhaps just as much or maybe even less than there are now. This game is still changing and while one class usually seems superior or perhaps even unbalanced the game isnt done getting updates and things are still changing. After playing spy for over 100 hrs and then having to adapt to the way spy was played I loved that class...but when the spy got an upgrade and got what I call infinate cloak I was furious, I loved the spy before the upgrade and was use to playing it as it was. Then they changed the backstab on me and I had to adjust to it and fix my stair stab techniques, but I got used to them again. The point is this game is still evolving, and either you adjust to it or you get run over by it. Personally, Im still having a blast in this game and while I still complain to myself that backstabs are still in this game, side stabs are a necessity...you say 3 shots and you kill a sniper, dont make me laugh... good snipers wont let you even uncloak next to them and even if you get in close after the first shot I always get a crit kukri to the forehead that kills me instantly. I think the game is good as is and cant wait for further updates, sorry you feel the way you do atm. IMO, in truth what they need to fix is the autobalance and the ability to team jump...this is what I hate most about the game.

I for instance, dislike everything they did to the spy,
2: the so called backstab is now pretty much useless and the only thing that happens to me is a facestab after another, don't really know why it is called a backstab.

Oh come on, you cant tell me I ever facestabbed you when I was against you.

 

[Dieinpeace]

I for instance, dislike everything they did to the spy,

1: they can see now, they can select targets, even more sacrifical kills for the spies, which is really annoying for the top players, they just stab you in front of level 3 sentry guns, they don't care.

LOl Cliff this is rarely done by spies. I do sometimes on purpose, because i think i can reclock before the SG kills me. But most of the time when i do this it is because i am either A) on fire and want a kill before i die. Or B) becuase i didnt happen to see the SG. You must be playing agianst alot of medicore/ new spies. Who do not know better then that.

 

[shade]

I thought it was just me, but it feels like face-stabs are happening a lot more frequently. As an engie, when a spy comes near me I have been using my shotgun instead of my wrench because it feels like everytime I get within swinging distance of a spy, I get stabbed in the face grrrr...

Did they actually make face stabs easier/more frequent, or have I just been having bad luck?

 

[duvel]

If I'm not mistaken the backstab code is based ENTIRELY upon where you are at in relation to the other person, not where you are stabbing. For example, if you are next to a person but a LITTLE bit behind him, in that very large 180 degree field, any stab you make on that person is a backstab. It doesn't matter if you stab at his back or his face or his shoes. Of course I'm not 100% sure on that.

 

[westside]

LOl Cliff this is rarely done by spies. I do sometimes on purpose, because i think i can reclock before the SG kills me. But most of the time when i do this it is because i am either A) on fire and want a kill before i die. Or B) becuase i didnt happen to see the SG. You must be playing agianst alot of medicore/ new spies. Who do not know better then that.

Or people that want that revenge kill, or people that know how many points cl!ff is worth and just want to farm points

 

[MentalSoul]

I don't think it's the game that is losing it's fun, I think it's the person who is playing that is losing interest.

Exactly.

 

[Killa]

I just want the old backstabs back; the ones before the super fast backstab motion we use now.

 

[Deadshot]

I don't think it's the game that is losing it's fun, I think it's the person who is playing that is losing interest.

i agree.

and also side stabs sucked xD face stab jsut sounds funny aswell but like he said it is named "back"stab

 

[TheZaw]

Play on different servers, not just edgegamers. Try some comptetive 6v6 tf2 once you ammass a lot more hours, see if that is fun. Go do some 24 slot, see if vanilla TF2 is more your style.