Something needs to be said.

[Requiem*]

Hi, I'm Requiem off of Insurgency.

Some people here might have seen me play on the server, and I like the server a lot, but something needs to be said about the admins.

Most of them seem like they have no idea what their doing. I consistently see rules being broken by people and very few admins are doing anything about it. Hell, some of the admins break the rules themselves.

The rule that I see broken most often is spawncamping/exit camping. I am on the receiving end of it most of the time and it is annoying and completely not fair for the Marine side. Insurgents already have the advantage of defense and unlimited reinforcements, they should not be allowed to spawncamp and exit camp, but according to most of the server admins, they can. I came on here to look at the rules and even they say no spawncamping/ exit camping.

I just remembered a issue that happened a few week ago, when the server was on Sinjar and Insurgent were exit camping the hell out of A point. A admin who's name I think was something like Woprat or something kicked a few people for exit camping because they were warned multiple times about it. Then a =(e)= reported him for "abuse". Who is right? The =(e)= who was conveniently on the other team when it happened? Or the admin who actually knew how to play Insurgency?

It seems like most of your admins don't know that the game their playing is INSURGENCY. NOT COUNTER-STRIKE.

I personally think you all should either remind the admins what game they are playing, or not make them admins for all the games they play.

I mean all of this in the most polite way possible.

Thank you
-Requiem

 

[Caffeine-Rx]

Hiya Req, I've played with you on quite a few occasions, glad to see you on the forums.

Well, to be honest, unless they directly over the barrier into spawn, they aren't spawn camping. If they ARE then they will be dealt with.

As far as exit camping, there are usually multiple exits, if one exit is being attacked go through one of the multiple other exits. If they are exit camping ALL of the exits, which is really hard to do, then an admin SHOULD step in.

General rule of thumb I personally use, for exit camping, is: If it is dropping the server population (rage quitting), if it ruining the fun of the server or causing a serious disruption. I will then step in and do something about it.

Maps like Sinjar, I am keeping more of an eye on exit camping because when those exits are camped, it ruins the fun REAL quick for the opposing side.

Hey, you may see something and ask "Why the hell is the admin letting that happen?!" But you got to understand, we may have a ton of stuff going on already, we may be admining someone else, we may have something important in vent being said, or maybe we just didn't see it. So if you see something that is happening or is being said, bring it to our attention, we may have missed it.

Thanks Req
Caffeine (Dustin)

 

[!EpIc fAiL!]

to add to what caffeine said, some of the admins might new at it(like me!) or they have been away for awhile and cant remember exactly how to do something. but continue to play on the servers and if u see something wrong, just ask the admin (if present) if they will take care of it. they may not know its going on.

 

[PIMP DADDY SMURF]

Okay to add to everyone's posts, one part of being an admin is to observe the situation, say the spawn camping conflicts that often tend to come up for me at least. All exits must be blocked by the enemy for it to be considered a "spawn camp" or if they are physically inside of the spawn then I will take action. Also when the population of the server is going down due to it.
These actions are all under the discretion of the admin him/herself, now if they are the ones spawn camping well then that needs to be taken care of by telling a DL or advisor, I'm not too sure as to who would need to be handling those things.
To Epic Fails post I would just like to say you need to possibly brush up on the admin notes as well gather a few steam eGO friends, I know I'm on there and you have come to me for a few things which I am glad you did. I know a bunch of some of the admining is stuff that needs to be gone through first hand, specially with the observation part judging the situation part and knowing when to act.

 

[!EpIc fAiL!]

Okay to add to everyone's posts, one part of being an admin is to observe the situation, say the spawn camping conflicts that often tend to come up for me at least. All exits must be blocked by the enemy for it to be considered a "spawn camp" or if they are physically inside of the spawn then I will take action. Also when the population of the server is going down due to it.
These actions are all under the discretion of the admin him/herself, now if they are the ones spawn camping well then that needs to be taken care of by telling a DL or advisor, I'm not too sure as to who would need to be handling those things.
To Epic Fails post I would just like to say you need to possibly brush up on the admin notes as well gather a few steam eGO friends, I know I'm on there and you have come to me for a few things which I am glad you did. I know a bunch of some of the admining is stuff that needs to be gone through first hand, specially with the observation part judging the situation part and knowing when to act.

ya i learn better when i actually do it, so the next admin school, if we are going to be in a server. i might go to learn exactly hoe to use the commands.

 

[Leader Bean]

My first trip into the servers as a new admin allowed me to clear up some spawn camping and exit camping (sinjar.....). The thing that helped me alot when I wasn't admining was asking politely for people to stop. THe other most useful thing as Caffeine suggested was getting some eG's and eGo's on your friend list. That has helped me out bigtime! If you are going to get an admin here is some useful information to give them

1) A quick description of the problem
2) Who is doing it/which team to watch
3) go into console and type "status," this will give you all the useful steam id's to help an admin pick through 32 players to watch
4) If necessary, especially if you've been asking politely over the text chat and noone has been listening or have been harassing you, type "condump" in the console if asked to by an admin or if you want to follow it up (but can't find an admin) by submitting a ban request. This is a copy of all the things happening on the server and all text based communication as registered in the console. This will be needed for any serious follow-up/ban requests, if needed, but also lets us know who are the general troublemakers to watch out for next time!

The condump will be located in C:/programfiles/steam/steamapps/"your name"/insurgency/insurgency

It will be named condump___.txt Rename it to something that tells us the the problem and then we can help you out when you submit it!

If it seems tedious, don't worry, admins must do this too!

 

[PIMP DADDY SMURF]

Yeah that's some more good ideas on how/what to do. Thanks Bean, a 'condump' in console can go a long way...

 

[Ghost91]

Yeah and another things that for some reason Marines sometimes don't do. Is when you are getting "exit spawn camp" Throw smoke I mean one smoke grenade can be the difference of you and your team getting out and to the point. I've seen Marines complain about "exit spawn camping" but they never through a single smoke grenade. So before you say "exit spawn camping" make sure you or your team is smoking.

 

[Leader Bean]

Lol Ghost! I've said this time and time again: Good teamwork and use of resources will get you out of SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH trouble. I don't have any issues about getting spawn camped because I use the team to help out. Smoke is so obvious but no one uses it!
It might take them a couple of rounds to get used to the swing of things but it always turns out way better than simply rushing and dying.

 

[Ghost91]

Lol Ghost! I've said this time and time again: Good teamwork and use of resources will get you out of SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH trouble. I don't have any issues about getting spawn camped because I use the team to help out. Smoke is so obvious but no one uses it!
It might take them a couple of rounds to get used to the swing of things but it always turns out way better than simply rushing and dying.

Completely agree with ya I love it when a teamworks together but for some reason Marines don't throw smoke unless someone is yelling at them to do it. It should be common sense to do. Especially on sinjar theres no cover what so ever going up the ramp. So lets see no smoke = no cover = not good. smoke = cover = good. And it annoys me to death when a Marines are complaining about spawn exit camping and their not doing anything to stop it I.E. their not throwing smoke. Last night we had same senario on the map thats in the mine (don't know the name) The marines were able to get to the Humvee and the cement block but once they got there they didn't throw smoke and they just ran for it like idiots. And got slaughter for it as well, but they had the time to type and say the insurgents were spawn exit camping.

 

[Leader Bean]

Ghost, we could have this discussion all night! Good observations by the way! I 100% agree with you!

 

[gen-ig]

Send and EG or EGO and sm_psay.

My advice.

G

 

[The Yeti]

Lol Ghost! I've said this time and time again: Good teamwork and use of resources will get you out of SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH trouble. I don't have any issues about getting spawn camped because I use the team to help out. Smoke is so obvious but no one uses it!
It might take them a couple of rounds to get used to the swing of things but it always turns out way better than simply rushing and dying.

Still there are sometimes where the first 3 feet out of your spawn point is meat grinder. It really dampens the mood quick. I for one am sensitive to spawn/exit camping. I think I would be justified in saying that PDX Capy is also. Everytime the Marines take a point he gets on the mic and tells everyone to back off. I try to act fast on spawn camping, usually the people doing it don't know that it's a rule or they just didn't know where the opfor spawn is; however, there are always griefers, and they should be dealt with OP. I think Caffiene and Smurf wrapped things up here. I'm on throughout the day (mountain time) for this summer. Feel free to add me on steam, I'd be more than happy to help admin the server.

 

[Ghost91]

Yea but thats different Yeti being on top of the marines spawn and killing them from a distance as in sinjar the original Marine spawn. You hear Marines complain and complain the whole time about exit spawn camping but I can count ,the number of times I've seen smoke thrown to get to the Humvee, on my hands. And I've played for quite awhile now. And trust me I'm one of the first to say something about spawn camping but I won't if we aren't trying anything to get out.

 

[The Yeti]

I meant on any map really, not specifically sinjar. I was actually thinking of our old Dust2. I agree, as a team you should do something, but most pubs aren't looking for a serious strategy. They just want to get on and frag some people. When they can't leave the first few inches outside of the spawn, they rage quit. It's bad for our servers and our community (not just people who wear the tags but people such as requiem who are regulars on our servers.) If someone were to run past the spawn exit trying to get somewhere else, and happen to pop a few people coming out, so be it. If one person is sitting outside of the spawn exit, so be it. But if a portion of the opfor is continually running into positions to block a spawn exit, that's a problem.

 

[Requiem*]

Completely agree with ya I love it when a teamworks together but for some reason Marines don't throw smoke unless someone is yelling at them to do it. It should be common sense to do. Especially on sinjar theres no cover what so ever going up the ramp. So lets see no smoke = no cover = not good. smoke = cover = good. And it annoys me to death when a Marines are complaining about spawn exit camping and their not doing anything to stop it I.E. their not throwing smoke. Last night we had same senario on the map thats in the mine (don't know the name) The marines were able to get to the Humvee and the cement block but once they got there they didn't throw smoke and they just ran for it like idiots. And got slaughter for it as well, but they had the time to type and say the insurgents were spawn exit camping.

Ironically, I was there when that happened, but I disagree with you on that one. We were being hit or killed when we jumped off the sandbags. Even smoke wouldn't have saved us because we were being shot at from two different directions.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, and thank you for being constructive instead of hostile. Whenever I make a complaint on other sites the other admins would usually get mad and flame me, but you all didn't, and I respect you all even more for that. :thumbup1:

 

[PIMP DADDY SMURF]

Well thank you Requiem, I/we do try our hardest to maintain control of the servers. On those other sites you do really have to word it correctly, those flamers can go bonkers sometimes :lol:

 

[Morse]

I am sure an advisor or division leader will step into this issue very soon and make their comments on the posts.

Requiem thanks for the feedback because it is also my problem. INS is a new division in edgegamer clan. We don't have many admins like other old divions (DoD:S, CSS, ect) have. I personally is an admin from DoD:S but since I play both game I decide to also join INS (plus as an admin we have global administrative power over all servers).

For 9 out of 10 times, I have to deal with players (both clan members and public players, or known as pub) on my own, because I am usually the only admin on the server at that time. It's always my concern that the other team is breaking rules like "cursing out, mic spam". If someone report it over the chat, I will respond to their complains. But as you know, the INS developer didn't really put effort on the text message. Killed messages, join side and chat all go to one place. It's very easy to miss a message. In fact, our admin usually miss message from our admin peer. I remembered I have to send them a few admin-chat just to speak to them over the admin-chat channel.

For spawn camping, there are two actually. One is exit camping and the other one is just running around and kill people from behind. The second one happens in maps like the old dust2. It could also be around the spawn area, just z yourself and then kill anyone that pass you, not necessarily people just got out from the exist.

I believe you are a mature and a serious player, otherwise you won't even spend a second to give us this feedback, right? You probably love our server and think our rules are pretty much stronger and more united. Our clan asks for disciplines. I know we have admins recently being removed due to their admin-abuses and this happens all the time because we can't know every admin for sure. It is everyone's effort to put our servers more fun. We must thank you all playing and giving us feedback.

Just a few other 2cents. As far as being an admin, our clan gives the basic outlines and rules. But nothing goes perfect. You can't really use these rules in every case. That's being said, being an good and responsible admin, we must use our common sense that best fit the rule and the situation at the time. Like the first admin that said in the first reply, he would step in if the action is corrupting the fun part. We want to give the opportunity for everyone to play. You will be piss at the game and yourself when you start getting kill as soon as you step out the spawn. You will be like "where the f are the admins"? Well, if there is none I have to apologize but we can't have people playing 24/7 all the time as you know. We try to have admin in every hour as much as possible. I personally go on server on a specific time when there is only a few admin is on.

Here is my real experience:
Another thing about common sense and admin action. Since most of the time I am the only admin on the specific game server, I have to deal everything on my own (because the time...). From language problem, TK, camping, spawn killing, AFK and also team game plan too. I am very active in putting my team together to advance the map. I remembered once I have 3 guys from my team using glitch to go over the barrier and get on top of the marine spawn. I have to warn them, spectate them, record a demo, contact an eGO (because eG does not have ban power), and also calm down the players. But at the same time, there are TK going on in the spawn, a few cursing coming out. It took me about 5 min to get an eGO come to the server and ban the guys who did the glitch and then I returned to the game to deal with other problems.

For spawn camping, our general rule is cannot spawn kill, meaning no nade, no killing in the spawn area. If someone start doing that, we can warn them, and if ignores it, we will kick them or ban them depends on who is there (eG/ eGO). But we eG will usually request a ban on the one that break rules as soon as we exit the game.

I remembered a several maps that have problems with serious exit killing. Both exits got locked up with mg and riflemen. I personally would step in. If I am the attacker team (the one does the SC), it's very questionable because I might not know anything about the SC unless someone starts complaining. I usually wait for one or two more complaints because if only one exit is locked, they could still advance it. INS is a bit more difficult game play. Time and team works are both important. Once you lose the time and team work, you will get stuck and beat up badly by the attackers. So if I find out my team is camping on both exit and they cannot get out, I will step in and ask people not to do it.

It's also very possible that we were AFK or idle at the time. Once I was AFK for 10 minutes because I have to check up someone's record in the past. The good thing is I wasn't the only admin so I could take that time to do a ban request.

So if you find an admin is abusing, you can record a demo or contact an eGO from our division. If you think an admin is not doing what he / she is supposes to do, make sure you contact that admin for a while, long enough to make sure he is playing at the time, and he can receive it (meaning send the same message a couple times). If he doesn't respond to your question / concern, you should write this in your console, condump, and it will save the messages into a text file, you can submit that to one of our adivors or DL.

As far as chat message, if one left their abuses records via text messages, we can also track it via our system too.

Also, there might be fake admin. If no admin is present, make sure you contact someone who is an eG/ eGO you know for sure to help you out. It is very important that we get to deal with the fake "admin" on our servers. These fake ones will destroy our admin reputation and our fun. I personally would thank those, including the non-admin clan members and pub who had helped me out during my game play because too many problems went on.

I know I write a lot. LOL I DO BECAUSE I LOVE WRITING, LOL, SORRY BUT BAD grammar.