Dust and Aztec, A thoughtful discussion

[iamevilbear]

Lately there has been a lot of back and forth about the Aztec server change. Some good and some bad. The last thing I want is to wrong the individuals like yourselves who work the hardest in this division and enjoy playing in our servers.

I understand there is some emotional attachment to this particular server, but I am not here to encourage that type of overreaction. I need a thoughtful discussion on what you think are the pros and cons of each map and what solutions you would suggest.

I know we often give you the answer "Rotation servers are not an options because.. " and I generally agree with this reasoning because of prior experiences. That being said - This thread is not going to be a collection of people whining. I am looking for a thoughtful discussion where we can all get along and not step on people's toes.

All of this being said. Give me your ideas. Posts that just say switch it back to dust will be deleted. We are looking for your reasoning and why we should make a change.

Possible Solutions:
Changing the map to de_dust

Shutting down the server entirely and focusing on other servers

Creating an Aztec/Dust Rotation

Leaving it as Aztec

Changing it to a different map not listed above (please clarify which map)

Other (not listed)​

 

[pandA.]

I see the same amount of people on Aztec and Dust.
1. Map Rotation
2. Change the server to a different mod (Zombie, GunGame, Minigames)
I think we should try a Minigames server. I don't remember CS:S ever having one?

 

[Kaspitone]

While I originally thought the switch to Aztec was nothing short of brilliant, I found myself recently rethinking the decision.
I am under the impression (please correct me if I am wrong) that the switch was made due to the poor numbers on the dust server.
However, Aztec has been up for a few days already, and I don't see it being filled very often. The difference between seeding and filling up dust and Aztec is huge. Playing dust 4 on 4, 5 on 5 is fun, while playing with comparable numbers on a map as large as Aztec is, for me, frustrating and not fun at all.
It could be that with a little more publicity, Aztec will become more popular, but I find myself thinking that Aztec will, unfortunately, remain unpopulated for the majority of the day.

When reading your post, I had a thought, which I think is actually a good idea and might appeal to some members here: perhaps we could convert the server into a rotation server. Not a server which rotates through the various de maps, but a server which rotates its objectives on a, perhaps, monthly basis.
For example, we could make a vote every 20th of the month, which would last for a week, and would let the members of eGO decide what type of server they would like for the upcoming month. Possible suggestions would be setting a specific map (i.e, dust, Aztec, etc.), designating the server as a gungame server for the month, zombie mod, de rotation server, or whatever any member of eGO suggests be added to the poll for the month.

I feel that this could be a successful idea since it would reflect the community's true wishes. If there is sufficient support for a dust server, then every month dust would win at the polls. If people really wanted to play gungames, then gungames would win the polls.

Just an idea.

 

[oH HorizoN x]

What about taking a vote over the course of a few weeks, to see what some popular maps are? Perhaps there is a map that may prove more desired than dust or aztec?

Also, I know we don't do rotation servers for a reason, but does that include votable rotation servers? I like dust over aztec, but dust is no fun for me once more than 12 people or so show up. But I know I personally would enjoy one server of ours having the option to vote for any valve map (besides office, dust2, high school, and italy, of course), or maybe some well known community made maps that are popular.

I mean, variety is the spice of life, and although I will always love jail and office, I often find myself thinking 'I wish eGO had other maps besides these few.'

 

[Xodacidal]

I like Kaspitones idea quite a bit. Being new, I haven't seen the server as a dust server and I guess I don't know the reasoning behind why you can't have a rotation server but is it possible to have a server that defaults back to Aztec or Dust or whatever map you choose and still have a RTV feature? I think that would be ideal. Leaving the server as a 24/7 map of your choice but giving the general public the power to decide upon a map they are feeling like playing.

 

[Oberst]

I'm open for anything honestly, I enjoy both maps equally, I feel they all offer advantages for both teams and are fun to play. I think we should give Aztec a week to see how to performs, and based off what we get from that we can use that info to make up something to go with.

 

[penguin]

I say we should close it and just focus on other servers. Dust was doing bad and it's also very one sided. Bringing it back it would just sit empty again. I love Aztec, but definitely not one of my favorites. So far Aztec has also not been doing well. I just think we should close it and keep the other servers and maybe bring up a Demolition CS:GO server in its replacement.

 

[XavierB]

For the time I played on the Aztec server, I did enjoy it but it wasn't fantastic. As for the Dust server, I usually only went on their to recruit and never really to play.

I'm going to agree with penguin here and say that I think we should focus more on our main servers and start expanding more to CS:GO by making more servers over there.

Because for the time I played on the CS:GO gg server with Kaspitone and bear, I enjoyed it quite a lot. And I can see with a lot of friends playing on that server at once it would be a great time.

 

[FireHazard772]

For the time I played on the Aztec server, I did enjoy it but it wasn't fantastic. As for the Dust server, I usually only went on their to recruit and never really to play.

I'm going to agree with penguin here and say that I think we should focus more on our main servers and start expanding more to CS:GO by making more servers over there.

Because for the time I played on the CS:GO gg server with Kaspitone and bear, I enjoyed it quite a lot. And I can see with a lot of friends playing on that server at once it would be a great time.

Keep in mind though that not everyone has CSGO Beta yet.

Otherwise, I agree with what Kaspitone suggested.

 

[Kaspitone]

Keep in mind though that not everyone has CSGO Beta yet.

Otherwise, I agree with what Kaspitone suggested.

I think that there are actually quite a few people in eGO with a beta. One of the advantages of switching to a cs:go server right now is that we (bear) would be able to fix the bugs and have servers up and running during the launch, while other servers would be scrambling to get things under control.

 

[XavierB]

Keep in mind though that not everyone has CSGO Beta yet.

Otherwise, I agree with what Kaspitone suggested.

Well the type mode that I was playing only allowed 10 people to play, we have more than enough people with the Beta to fill that up, and maybe a few more servers.

 

[MoSTaR #GH]

I was thinking a 20 slot Aztec and a 20 slot dust, this way both can get their way and since both servers arent very popular a limited slot might make it more demanding to join

 

[Cyclone]

I don't think Aztec will do that well. I don't want to be a downer, but let's look at the facts. Dust wasn't our most popular server, for a WHILE now. Zombie mod died off quick, and I recall having a DM server a year or two ago. I'm usually the only one attempting to fill the server. I'm leaning towards what Panda said. Why not have a minigames/gungame/whatever server? Surf servers are gaining popularity from what I've seen. Maybe we could test the waters with different gametypes?

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Archer]

Dont have another server and save the money for CSS tournaments

 

[Smirnoff]

I think we should drop the server because with CSGO on the way within the next few months we're going to have to drop at least 1 or 2 servers for CSGO servers, implying that the regulars we would get from Aztec/Dust will no longer be regulars because the server would no longer exist. In addition I think that we should start focusing on other servers that are currently failing such as Highschool.. We need to focus on failing servers instead of creating new failing ones.

 

[Snooch]

I liked the option of rotating between dust and aztec, There is my 2 cents.

 

[_MEGA]

@ Kaspitone: I really like your idea, and it seems to be the most ideal for this situation.

@ Xodacial: We do not have a full rotation server because of the failure it gave in the past. Although, between two maps, it may be different.

@ General community: de_dust is just as one sided as de_aztec is. I said this before, CS:S is a team based game. If you wish to win, play as a team. I have played dust with some of the regular pubs and wow, they really know how to work together on the T team and pull things through. So once again, teamwork is key to winning a map like that.

@Cyclone: Personally, I agree with you. Aztec will be like zombie mod, and night fever, and all those other types of servers. People that really "want" these servers will play for a week or two, then leave them. I would love to see a surf server, and like you said they are growing in popularity.

Personally, I would suggest that we either change the server back to dust, because I know some of the regulars who refuse to play now that it changed to aztec, or perhaps attempt a surf server because I know first hand how popular surf is becoming and that there are many eGO members who wouldn't find filling it up.

Note: These are just my personal thoughts on the server and what you said. I don't care if you agree with me or not. I am not here to argue, just here to bring up my points.

My $0.02

 

[Christy]

What about a Dust and an Aztec server, both just 20 slot competitive play. With competitive rules and server configs.

I myself dont play competitive as I suck but it might bring in some people who do like the competitive play.

 

[konigandy6]

I love Aztec... I love Dust. I love the idea of switching between the 2. Aztec is more of a fair map, but it's a lot more fun when there are a lot of people on playing. I keep trying to play Aztec, but there were no players on Dust is just a classic CS map, and it has it's following.

My vote is a Dust / Aztec rotation. You can't please everyone, but I think this is a fair compromise.

 

[NMsniper]

In my opinion the dust/aztec rotation was one of the ideas I thought of the first day. Another thing is that a lot of people do not like change. making it a rotation between dust and aztec would allow one server to be popuilated instead of having two servers with less people. by having the rotation we can recruit new peope on a new server, also leaving the old players and mabye new for the dust. all in all i say we go for the dust/aztec just because it will help us recruit and keep old players in the server.