Counter-Strike Not Planned CSGO ST rules

[Stirdu]

STs should be allowed to do any secrets unless they are specifically told not to by the warden. For example if the warden gives ST on arcade and they do shotgun secret they should not be considered KOS. Warden would have to tell the ST in advance that they cannot do secrets.

 

[Blame David]

i agree, nearly every ct just goes with st are kos if they go into vents or armoury

 

[BoyPhoenix]

????? when is this happening? unless warden told you to stay in an area or to not pick any secret it basically means you have a FreeDay ST and i seen several times a ST in arcade for example pick any secret like Maggie and so and nothing happens.

 

[BoyPhoenix]

i agree, nearly every ct just goes with st are kos if they go into vents or armoury

This is because of rules, vents and armory are "restricted area" even with ST, no warden or free/custom day(unless told in custom)

 

[Blame David]

????? when is this happening? unless warden told you to stay in an area or to not pick any secret it basically means you have a FreeDay ST and i seen several times a ST in arcade for example pick any secret like Maggie and so and nothing happens.

happed today guy got killed for having a gun

This is because of rules, vents and armory are "restricted area" even with ST, no warden or free/custom day(unless told in custom)

i know

 

[RIDTHEMID]

If a T that was given ST is doing a secret that gives them a gun, CTs should be able to kill them.

Rebelling with ST is stupid easy as it is, there is no need to add an extra handicap. The T should just wait until there’s no CTs looking before pursuing secrets.

 

[BoyPhoenix]

happed today guy got killed for having a gun

you already know this is free kill because you're an old player, its more like a toxic/free kill, the only 2 ways to be killed for things like that are "do not drop a contraband when told by a Guard after 3 or more seconds. -
have a contraband out for 3 or more seconds unless told to do so by the warden." notice the "out" in the second one, having contraband for itself is no way kosable/killable and more using it like shooting to a CT (unless again told by warden to not pick/have it), did the player reported this? what the admin said?

 

[QuickiexD]

you already know this is free kill because you're an old player, its more like a toxic/free kill, the only 2 ways to be killed for things like that are "do not drop a contraband when told by a Guard after 3 or more seconds. -
have a contraband out for 3 or more seconds unless told to do so by the warden." notice the "out" in the second one, having contraband for itself is no way kosable/killable and more using it like shooting to a CT (unless again told by warden to not pick/have it), did the player reported this? what the admin said?

You'd have a field day reading the JB Server Specialist discord about this.

 

[Blame David]

you already know this is free kill because you're an old player, its more like a toxic/free kill, the only 2 ways to be killed for things like that are "do not drop a contraband when told by a Guard after 3 or more seconds. -
have a contraband out for 3 or more seconds unless told to do so by the warden." notice the "out" in the second one, having contraband for itself is no way kosable/killable and more using it like shooting to a CT (unless again told by warden to not pick/have it), did the player reported this? what the admin said?

what i was trying to say is the st thought that he could have contra cause most new people assume you can cause everyone lets them so when a toxic ct came along and told him to drop it he said "i dont have to" then after 3 secs got killed for it

 

[BoyPhoenix]

You'd have a field day reading the JB Server Specialist discord about this.

about that specific situation? this would go more with AT because of what blame is saying.

Blame David so you all want to change the rule itself and add that exception? if so sopheyy what do you guys think in AT, would be a good idea unless warden told to not.

 

[MS]

The form and boundaries of ST are defined by the warden. If the warden does not specify then CTs should ask for clarification if the ST is allowed to do something before killing. Similarly, the ST should ask if they can do something before risking being killed.

I don’t see a need to have a specific rule for this; it’s up to the warden.

 

[Stirdu]

????? when is this happening? unless warden told you to stay in an area or to not pick any secret it basically means you have a FreeDay ST and i seen several times a ST in arcade for example pick any secret like Maggie and so and nothing happens.

some1 decided to make a big deal over this rule so i decided to make a suggestion post to get it removed

 

[BoyPhoenix]

I don’t see a need to have a specific rule for this; it’s up to the warden.

i dont think about a specific rule and more like a clarification of what is implied if warden do not said anything, i guess for this example being able to have contra out and so.

 

[BoyPhoenix]

some1 decided to make a big deal over this rule so i decided to make a suggestion post to get it removed

get the whole rule removed? lol

 

[Stirdu]

i dont think about a specific rule and more like a clarification of what is implied if warden do not said anything, i guess for this example being able to have contra out and so.

Doing secrets is a form of rebelling, even as an ST. CTs are allowed to kill you, and it wasnt until recently that people started ACTUALLY killing you for doing a glock secret as an ST.

 

[sopheyy]

????? when is this happening? unless warden told you to stay in an area or to not pick any secret it basically means you have a FreeDay ST and i seen several times a ST in arcade for example pick any secret like Maggie and so and nothing happens.

you already know this is free kill because you're an old player, its more like a toxic/free kill, the only 2 ways to be killed for things like that are "do not drop a contraband when told by a Guard after 3 or more seconds. -
have a contraband out for 3 or more seconds unless told to do so by the warden." notice the "out" in the second one, having contraband for itself is no way kosable/killable and more using it like shooting to a CT (unless again told by warden to not pick/have it), did the player reported this? what the admin said?

Spoiler: Defined in the rules

Therefore CTs can kill Ts for doing secrets - even if it's a "Freeday ST" (unless the ST got permission from the warden).
I agree with this rule change though. It should be specified if the ST is not allowed to do secrets - not the other way around.

With that being said, I also wrote this in the SS discord, which I feel brings up a valid point:

Spoiler:

If the Ts are stacked in a marker, and one T leaves the marker to pick up a gun close by. The T jumps back into the stack and no CT got his name.
You CANNOT kill the T who has the gun, because whoever left the stack could've just dropped it to someone else.

I think we all agree on that, yes?

Does the same logic not apply to secrets? Are secrets allowed? No. But if an ST has Maggie on Arcade you should not be allowed to kill them because a rebeller could've technically picked it up and dropped it for the ST. Is the ST carrying the secret? Sure. But that would count as carrying contra which is allowed as ST (unless asked to drop it).

Taking everything into consideration, I would say that unless a CT is WATCHING you do a secret, then they cannot kill the ST for simply carrying it.

 

[BoyPhoenix]

thanks sopheyy was gonna say something similar because you really cant suppose the T who have a secret really did the secret or a any other situation (at least from what i read sometime ago in a discussion) but they confused me because blame said the person got killed because he had a secret and then stirdu said they killing because they see people do the secret (which is obviously kos/kill able).

 

[RIDTHEMID]

some1 decided to make a big deal over this rule so i decided to make a suggestion post to get it removed

idk if it’s a big deal just trying to get it clarified

 

[Pink]

For once I agree with Stirdu

I got killed for getting a gun and has ST today.Ever since I have been jb it has ALWAYS been implied that you are allowed to do secrets unless warden says otherwise.

 

[darkfry]

+1, completely agree with this. I feel like what Pink said about this being kind of implied has been true for the most part, but it definitely feels like something that should be in the rule book so it can be enforced when infringed upon. If we are talking about technicalities, then yea guards are unfortunately allowed to kill STs if they see them do a T secret.